tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post4967956340580281177..comments2023-12-22T01:00:05.754-08:00Comments on Pensuasion: Author Accountability S. L. Hennessyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-80915405401410857842015-03-13T13:55:38.047-07:002015-03-13T13:55:38.047-07:00I'm solidly behind a good dose of realism. I s...I'm solidly behind a good dose of realism. I seldom read YA fantasy, but I don't discount it. I just prefer to stay within the realm of what could happen given the characters and the situation. Any book that creates life-like characters well and sets them on a journey, has to have an ending that comes from those givens. If it doesn't then it's not satisfying for the reader. Tidy endings are sweet. They simply ca't always happen in life or in stories.cleemckenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15456109243453726483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-52545553140376598242015-03-12T13:34:34.038-07:002015-03-12T13:34:34.038-07:00I think it comes down to what should happen and wh...I think it comes down to what should happen and what we want to happen. If we are spoon fed the happy nice and tidy ending then the story often ends up amounting to a bit of fluff that makes us feel good, but doesn't necessary stick with us. Sometimes it's better in the long run to get a dose of the spinach and fiber because it makes us healthier and stronger. When the story ends as it should, which is not always happy or even conclusive, we tend to think about it more. We might not be happy about the ending and we might even be angry, but almost always we'll remember those stories longer than the sweet and nice ending stories.<br /><br />We usually read fiction to escape real life, but if the fiction is overly unreal then we are being mentally coddled and that doesn't help us grow in any intellectual way and we might as well watch a cartoon.<br /><br />Arlee Bird<br />A to Z Challenge Co-host<br /><a href="http://tossingitout.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Tossing It Out</a><br />Arlee Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11663942782929929334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-73273970190798854932015-03-10T20:14:26.272-07:002015-03-10T20:14:26.272-07:00A good post, but I wish I'd listened to the sp...A good post, but I wish I'd listened to the spoiler warning. :)Maurice Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15338165486757095191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-68403974708246075702015-03-10T07:38:25.519-07:002015-03-10T07:38:25.519-07:00I've often thought I'm glad I don't ha...I've often thought I'm glad I don't have that kind of pressure, with thousands of fans expecting certain things. I'm a quiet writer with a small and quiet audience and it's so much more freeing than having an entire world waiting on you with their expectations.Karen Jones Gowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11378428503220197256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-19827088315019252872015-03-09T13:46:21.463-07:002015-03-09T13:46:21.463-07:00Agreed. JK should NEVER second guess herself when ...Agreed. JK should NEVER second guess herself when it comes to Harry Potter!S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-45365099759798892982015-03-09T13:45:20.430-07:002015-03-09T13:45:20.430-07:00I would agree with your HIMYM thesis...up until th...I would agree with your HIMYM thesis...up until the point when Barney starts to fall for Robin and Ted, after initial hesitance, becomes supportive of their relationship. After that point, I felt the story stopped being one of Ted's love for Robin and shifted into a story about Ted/The Mother and Barney/Robin. To have Barney and Robin's marriage last half an episode AND to kill the mother off after we came to really love her character felt a disservice to the characters and the progression of the show (and showed, in my opinion, the writer's lack of appreciation for real development of the characters in favor of their original "surprise" ending concept). <br /><br />And yes. My friend Andy is a pretty smart guy. For the most part. S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-32490456945040026772015-03-09T09:33:27.076-07:002015-03-09T09:33:27.076-07:00I have to stick with my artistic vision. As seen i...I have to stick with my artistic vision. As seen in my own reviews, they can be quite diverse, meaning to me...you can't please everyone. As in HIMYM...same thing. The audience vote was split.<br /><br />My writing is my vision, or rather the character's vision. I have no clue what audiences want. I just hope I hit the mark with my followers...:)Terry Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11300768661407633721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-13630700905876063692015-03-09T09:22:41.627-07:002015-03-09T09:22:41.627-07:00We have such huge expectations for an ending that ...We have such huge expectations for an ending that when it finally happens it is usually a downer. I am with you on Harry Potter and glad JK Rowling has her book end the way it does. She shouldn't second guess herself. I never watched How i Met Your Mother but now I have to find out what happened at the end. I did see the end of Seinfeld and it was weak. I loved the ending of "Lost" because it ended on a positive noteBirgithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09439720285857050428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-89805524834950440442015-03-09T08:54:57.081-07:002015-03-09T08:54:57.081-07:00Writers can't please everyone. Sometimes the r...Writers can't please everyone. Sometimes the relationships seemed forced in movies and shows because they can't explore the depths that a series of novels does. It's one of the reasons why the books are always better. I never watched HIMYM because I never watch sitcoms but I heard lots of opinions on it.<br />I think you hit Roth's situation just right. YA readers don't want reality. If they did, they wouldn't read about teenagers saving the world because that's really never going to happen.Susan Gourley/Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02669793865290876168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-67474477930311141952015-03-09T07:33:45.969-07:002015-03-09T07:33:45.969-07:00First, I’d like to start off by acknowledging the ...First, I’d like to start off by acknowledging the brilliance of your friend Andy. Also, I’d like to point out how truly lucky you are to be friends with somebody that has such a good head on their shoulders.<br />As to the point about HIMYM, I think there are two ways to go about writing a story. You can either have a story to tell, or you can have characters. If you have characters, then you just have to be true to the characters and see where the story takes you. If you are telling a story, it’s the writer’s responsibility to have a story worth telling. If you have a story worth telling, I think you have to have enough conviction to tell that story regardless of what you think the audience wants. With HIMYM, the story (despite the name) was never really about how Ted met his wife, it was about how he got over the tragic death of his wife by rekindling an old romance. To me, it makes sense that Ted would use his long drawn out story as a way of getting approval from his kids to date Robin. On top of that, I think that as much as he was trying to get approval from his kids, he was trying to convince himself that it was ok to move on from his wife. That’s why so few of the stories involved the wife, and so many of them involved Robin.<br />With the whole kerfuffle about Ron and Hermione, I think that it was because she had been spending so much time on the set of the movies. Book Hermione and Book Ron are perfect for each other, but Movie Hermione and Movie Ron don’t have the same chemistry. I think Rupert Grint has mentioned in interviews that he views Emma Watson as more of a sister, and that chemistry shows in the films. Add in the fact that Hermione was practically turned into a mary sue in the movies, and it makes sense that some people feel like she was a better match for Harry Potter.<br />Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02620237133331909528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-23481221430297330702015-03-09T06:45:29.007-07:002015-03-09T06:45:29.007-07:00I hate the HIMYM writers for what they did; that e...I hate the HIMYM writers for what they did; that ending was awful! I like to pretend the last episode doesn't exist, so it just ends on Barney and Robin's wedding day (and they live happily ever after, dammit!)<br />With Allegiant, however, I liked the ending. I think it suited Tris as a character, and anything else wouldn't have been believable. I liked that Roth chose the different route, rather than going with the standard happy ending. <br />I was also distressed by J. K. Rowling saying that Ron and Hermione shouldn't have ended up together - the whole series leads up to it! I'm glad she went with what she wanted, too. Laura Clipsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02748489198957473503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-53392503152077943632015-03-09T05:51:32.538-07:002015-03-09T05:51:32.538-07:00I agree with Denise - I was so disappointed with t...I agree with Denise - I was so disappointed with the ending of Seinfeld.<br />That is a tough question. Does the author compromise for the sake of the readers? I know if I am watching a movie or reading a book and the ending is unsatisfying, I'm disappointed. (Doesn't have to be happy, just satisfying.) So I'd probably lean more to yes, remain flexible and keep the fans in mind.Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-89170380407229331922015-03-09T04:48:03.188-07:002015-03-09T04:48:03.188-07:00I threw a big party for the last episode of Seinfe...I threw a big party for the last episode of Seinfeld. Even my son and his college friends came. I think we were all disappointed with the show's last episode. OTOH, I was very thrilled with the end of The Mentalist a few weeks ago. And I admit I was concerned the writers would mess things up. You just never know what is in an author's mind.Denisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15045554938847356871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-41659369509108330472015-03-09T04:37:13.100-07:002015-03-09T04:37:13.100-07:00I don't know what the answer is. I just know ...I don't know what the answer is. I just know it upsets me greatly when a book or movie I enjoy for the most part ends poorly. And I prefer happy endings to tragic ones. There is more than enough tragedy in life.<br /><a href="http://lifefaithincaneyhead.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Life & Faith in Caneyhead</a>Barbara In Caneyheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06053601327400989802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-14610693377403994572015-03-09T03:34:44.137-07:002015-03-09T03:34:44.137-07:00I haven't seen a single episode of How I Met Y...I haven't seen a single episode of How I Met Your Mother, but I have indeed read the books you highlighted, so I have a solid understanding of what you were trying to say here. That said, I also feel that writers should have the freedom to follow their artistic vision, but should at the same time be mindful of their audience, or more aptly, genre conventions.<br /><br />In the case of Allegiant, I felt the problem with the ending wasn't the fact that Tris died, but more to do with the manner in which she was killed off. The whole thing felt shoehorned in at the last minute for effect or shock value, rather than a logical progression of events. I know from reading Veronica Roth's blog that that wasn't the case, but I still feel it could have been executed better.Michael Abayomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07276804685807238328noreply@blogger.com