tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post674510164469913050..comments2023-12-22T01:00:05.754-08:00Comments on Pensuasion: V is for Vonnegut and V for Vendetta: Visions of DystopiaS. L. Hennessyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-68112914081677461692012-04-28T13:03:45.802-07:002012-04-28T13:03:45.802-07:00I have no idea how I missed that Vonnegut short st...I have no idea how I missed that Vonnegut short story, but I'm going to find it and read it ASAP!Kayla Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02063162666132410730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-14065402457518737742012-04-27T15:10:15.579-07:002012-04-27T15:10:15.579-07:00Er, to answer your question a bit late. I've n...Er, to answer your question a bit late. I've not read it. I'm familiar with it though.Rusty Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887821877521181811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-17701676675619822642012-04-26T06:02:24.986-07:002012-04-26T06:02:24.986-07:00I do like dystopians like 1984 and THX 1138. Those...I do like dystopians like 1984 and THX 1138. Those are actual representations of dystopian ideas, something that -looks- like a utopia but is only because of some bad thing that's going on within it. And that's the thing, people have taken the word to -just- mean anti-utopian, which is the simple definition, but that's not what it -means-. If it was, we could call most places on Earth dystopian, but we don't, because nothing on Earth looks utopian enough to, then, belong in the dystopian category.<br /><br />I don't think Alan Moore has liked any of the adaptations of his stories. He pulled out of Watchmen, too, and washed his hands of it. Don't remember why, though.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-40241597212220699192012-04-25T22:43:56.741-07:002012-04-25T22:43:56.741-07:00Laughing Ferret – Mine too. And yes, I agree. Plea...Laughing Ferret – Mine too. And yes, I agree. Pleasing everyone rarely works out for anyone. <br /><br />Andy (and mshatch) – I completely agree. Theoretically. I think that’s what we always strive for. But every time we try for something like that, founded on respect and tolerance of difference. EXCEPT in reality we wind up with an Animal Farm situation, where all animals are created equal…but some are created MORE equal. Utopias are a wonderful concept, but I simply don’t believe we’re capable. <br /><br />Mina – It really is a great story, with an interesting perspective on the world. As are most dystopian novels. It’s one of the reasons they’re embraced so thoroughly. <br /><br />DL – My point exactly. Perhaps tad pessimistic, but what can I say? <br /><br />Matthew – Yes, that’s always been my take on it.<br /><br />Joshua – I know. It’s such a terrific example of what dystopian fiction should look like. <br /><br />Simon – the subject lends itself to some truly wonderful works, so it wasn’t too difficult!<br /><br />Jemi – I think that is one of the best young adult novels ever written. I loved studying it when I was in school. <br /><br />Julie – SO CLOSE! We’ll have to have a movie fest.S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-7505569359446632772012-04-25T22:43:02.693-07:002012-04-25T22:43:02.693-07:00I disagree with your general dislike of dystopian ...I disagree with your general dislike of dystopian fiction, but agree that it’s often mis-represented. And I do think classic dystopian novels are very special in a way that current pop-fiction sometimes isn’t. But then I’ve always been a bit of a classicist. <br /><br />But I AM glad that you appreciate V for Vendetta. You know, I read that Alan Moore really didn't like the movie adaptation...S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-2616382206602661842012-04-25T22:27:27.340-07:002012-04-25T22:27:27.340-07:00What a great critique. One which I agree with whol...What a great critique. One which I agree with wholeheartedly. Utopias, if they in fact can ever be created in the first place, are doomed to inevitable corruption though the reality of human nature.S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-43177287380038822212012-04-25T22:22:21.084-07:002012-04-25T22:22:21.084-07:00Any chance you've read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn R...Any chance you've read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand? Your comment about rewarding innovative thinking and ambition reminds me of that...S. L. Hennessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514651403542719387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-88856839556131173482012-04-25T21:07:12.326-07:002012-04-25T21:07:12.326-07:00Dystopian stuff is pretty fun!Dystopian stuff is pretty fun!Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10680066584646789184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-42693013376134554182012-04-25T17:38:52.628-07:002012-04-25T17:38:52.628-07:00LOVE V for Vendetta!! SUCH a fab movie!!
P.s. I m...LOVE V for Vendetta!! SUCH a fab movie!!<br /><br />P.s. I miss you.. is it May yet??Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12401550550652725770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-41521236442746099422012-04-25T17:00:49.746-07:002012-04-25T17:00:49.746-07:00Made for an awesome movie!Made for an awesome movie!Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-52558536771469558592012-04-25T16:20:25.702-07:002012-04-25T16:20:25.702-07:00Oh, and I love V for Vendetta. I may still have th...Oh, and I love V for Vendetta. I may still have the original series. I hope I do, at any rate.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-12842185312336016212012-04-25T16:18:08.056-07:002012-04-25T16:18:08.056-07:00See, I know why you don't like Star Trek, now....See, I know why you don't like Star Trek, now. You and Roddenberry wouldn't have gotten along. :P<br /><br />I'm not a fan of dystopian for a number of reasons, the first of which is the maiming of the definition of what a dystopian is. Not in the examples you gave but in much of the current literature that calls itself dystopian. Much of it is actually just post-apocalyptic, like The Hunger Games (although that one does have a dystopian element, the society as a whole falls outside the true definition).Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-26754500424067542702012-04-25T16:05:13.420-07:002012-04-25T16:05:13.420-07:00I love dystopian fiction! I read the Giver to my c...I love dystopian fiction! I read the Giver to my classes and we talk about utopian and dystopian societies. So many great discussions! This year in particular I have several students who are on a real dystopian reading kick!Jemi Fraserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02214408467456320167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-35592599675771607252012-04-25T13:02:58.348-07:002012-04-25T13:02:58.348-07:00Wondeful post - and you reference some damn fine w...Wondeful post - and you reference some damn fine works.Simon Kewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537163555998763769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-2200116923206917682012-04-25T12:51:30.289-07:002012-04-25T12:51:30.289-07:00V for Vendetta was a great GN. Absolutely. I love ...V for Vendetta was a great GN. Absolutely. I love dystopia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-84387590117622129102012-04-25T12:34:02.594-07:002012-04-25T12:34:02.594-07:00I think Andy makes a good point and a Utopian soci...I think Andy makes a good point and a Utopian society doesn't necessarily mean that everything will always be perfect and peaceful. Tragedy will still happen, accidents, love hate etc. <br /><br />I never read the comic but I loved the movie with Natalie Portman. I thought she did a great job.mshatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308916014310536449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-74781140723692973152012-04-25T11:20:09.881-07:002012-04-25T11:20:09.881-07:00Personally I think even if a utopia could exist, i...Personally I think even if a utopia could exist, it would automatically be a dystopia. Who wants to live in a world where everything is perfect, and everyone is the same (or at least has the same resources, comfort, so on)? Not me, snooze.Matthew MacNishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03264738483763244969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-34033178893759991872012-04-25T10:53:47.750-07:002012-04-25T10:53:47.750-07:00Way to crush our dreams! :) You are right, of co...Way to crush our dreams! :) You are right, of course. A Utopian world is one where everybody loves vanilla and there are no choices. Not for me...thank you! :)DL Hammonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02007260062331783715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-48276542159191854332012-04-25T07:33:34.696-07:002012-04-25T07:33:34.696-07:00I featured "V" from V for Vendetta too. ...I featured "V" from V for Vendetta too. I absolutely love V and dystopian worlds. Awesome post.Mina Burrowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14483363743530076604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-64963579449395737002012-04-25T06:17:17.827-07:002012-04-25T06:17:17.827-07:00Wow. A double coincidence. I just finished reviewi...Wow. A double coincidence. I just finished reviewing the movie adaptation of V for Vendetta:<br /><br /><a href="http://michaelabayomi.blogspot.com/2012/04/v-for-vendetta-movie-review.html" rel="nofollow">http://michaelabayomi.blogspot.com/2012/04/v-for-vendetta-movie-review.html</a><br /><br />Dystopias are typically utopias gone bad. A perfect example would be the city of Libria in the movie Equilibrium (<a href="http://michaelabayomi.blogspot.com/2012/04/equilibrium-movie-review.html" rel="nofollow">another movie I noticed we both reviewed by the way</a>). Basically, what starts out as an ideal model for a society to follow eventually degenerates into something considered unacceptable. In the case of Equilibrium, this manifests in the form of the supression of human emotions.<br /><br />Can utopias truly exist? I don't know. But even if one did, it is only a matter of time before it would get twisted and corrupted into something else entirely, at which point we would have arrived at a dystopia.Michael Abayomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07276804685807238328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-72179418751561173792012-04-25T05:23:37.038-07:002012-04-25T05:23:37.038-07:00I think utopia's can exist - as soon as we fig...I think utopia's can exist - as soon as we figure out a way to avoid asymmetric resource allocation and still find a way to reward innovative thinking and ambition. I'll let you know as soon as I get that figured out.Rusty Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09887821877521181811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-77768276423159229812012-04-25T05:04:17.856-07:002012-04-25T05:04:17.856-07:00I know this will come as a shock, but I disagree.
...I know this will come as a shock, but I disagree.<br /><br />I think utopias are possible. The problem is with the assumption that a homogeneous society is a utopian society. A society founded on respect and tolerance would be a true utopian society. One where differences are embraced, rather than weeded out as an inferiority.<br /><br />Of course, if everyone accepted everyone else, it wouldn't make for very good conflict, so I don't expect that an actual utopia would ever make it into print.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02620237133331909528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6839646920915128083.post-87145453262136082672012-04-25T01:04:17.851-07:002012-04-25T01:04:17.851-07:00Dystopia is one of my favorite genres.
makes me ...Dystopia is one of my favorite genres. <br />makes me think of the saying "you can't please everyone' -because if you try, you end up pleasing no one.Laughing Ferrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649878935225675051noreply@blogger.com